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	<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dummidumbwit</title>
		<link>http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/#comment-11379</link>
		<dc:creator>dummidumbwit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama told Chis Mathtews on a live event in Pennsylvania back then that he quit listening to "Cable News" and that is how he can stand all this stuff going on. He's on the verge, I think He'll make it because he smart enough to turn off the TV and Hillary's still at it and I watch it an get a bigger and bigger headache? Bless em both and help me turn the damn TV off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama told Chis Mathtews on a live event in Pennsylvania back then that he quit listening to &#8220;Cable News&#8221; and that is how he can stand all this stuff going on. He&#8217;s on the verge, I think He&#8217;ll make it because he smart enough to turn off the TV and Hillary&#8217;s still at it and I watch it an get a bigger and bigger headache? Bless em both and help me turn the damn TV off!</p>
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		<title>By: OmbudsBen</title>
		<link>http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/#comment-11361</link>
		<dc:creator>OmbudsBen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 00:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone seems to think so, except for Hillary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone seems to think so, except for Hillary.</p>
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		<title>By: dummidumbwit</title>
		<link>http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/#comment-11357</link>
		<dc:creator>dummidumbwit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 05:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody can say a Clinton went down easy! But it may be the end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody can say a Clinton went down easy! But it may be the end?</p>
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		<title>By: OmbudsBen</title>
		<link>http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/#comment-11304</link>
		<dc:creator>OmbudsBen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;NM&lt;/strong&gt;, Sometimes, a part of me wants to enlist some friends as contributors and start a blog on FDR, the social programs initiated then, and their role in developing the greatest middle class the world has yet seen, contrasting it to the present ghastly, warmongering, hatemongering mess.

Then I remember how much work goes into the blog I have, and I recover.

&lt;strong&gt;LB&lt;/strong&gt;, keeping one's arms crossed when considering politics and politician's is always a good stance.  

Since writing this post, the mud machines have sped up their flingings at Barack. We knew it was going to happen, I guess -- hopefully he's ready for it.

I just expected it would come primarily from the Republican mud machine, and not from Hillary's "braintrust" (to use the term advisedly).


&lt;strong&gt;Bosque-&lt;/strong&gt;, I've been feeling a little less sympathy for Hillary of late. I just find how Barack has conducted himself generally far more admirable than how she has conducted herself -- and after the last eight years, it would be nice to have a leader who is both respectable and respect&lt;em&gt;ful&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NM</strong>, Sometimes, a part of me wants to enlist some friends as contributors and start a blog on FDR, the social programs initiated then, and their role in developing the greatest middle class the world has yet seen, contrasting it to the present ghastly, warmongering, hatemongering mess.</p>
<p>Then I remember how much work goes into the blog I have, and I recover.</p>
<p><strong>LB</strong>, keeping one&#8217;s arms crossed when considering politics and politician&#8217;s is always a good stance.  </p>
<p>Since writing this post, the mud machines have sped up their flingings at Barack. We knew it was going to happen, I guess &#8212; hopefully he&#8217;s ready for it.</p>
<p>I just expected it would come primarily from the Republican mud machine, and not from Hillary&#8217;s &#8220;braintrust&#8221; (to use the term advisedly).</p>
<p><strong>Bosque-</strong>, I&#8217;ve been feeling a little less sympathy for Hillary of late. I just find how Barack has conducted himself generally far more admirable than how she has conducted herself &#8212; and after the last eight years, it would be nice to have a leader who is both respectable and respect<em>ful</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: bosquechica</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been feeling sorry for Hillary too. I like Obama, I think he'll be a fine president, although I'm not all aflutter the way so many people seem to be. Some days, I wonder if Hillary's advisors are secretly working for Rove (not really, but lordy there have been some seriously bad decisions from her team). And another thing - I can't believe we are so bumfuddled as a nation that McCain would even be considered a real candidate; he's a pretty scary guy. At times, I feel like the whole country is holding its breath - can we do it? Can we dig ourselves out of this horrendous mess? Hope is a powerful thing, and much needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been feeling sorry for Hillary too. I like Obama, I think he&#8217;ll be a fine president, although I&#8217;m not all aflutter the way so many people seem to be. Some days, I wonder if Hillary&#8217;s advisors are secretly working for Rove (not really, but lordy there have been some seriously bad decisions from her team). And another thing - I can&#8217;t believe we are so bumfuddled as a nation that McCain would even be considered a real candidate; he&#8217;s a pretty scary guy. At times, I feel like the whole country is holding its breath - can we do it? Can we dig ourselves out of this horrendous mess? Hope is a powerful thing, and much needed.</p>
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		<title>By: dummidumbwit</title>
		<link>http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/#comment-11271</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it last Wed that Chris Matthews had Barack on Campus at a televised rally Q&#38;A thing in Penn. They debated endlessly his response to this or that and decided he did well, but for me the moment was when Chris asked him how he can sleep with all this stuff going on back and forth and over and over"? And Barack gave him a big, million dollar smile, with no hostility and gentle knowing eyes and said "I quit watching Cable news". Thats the man!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it last Wed that Chris Matthews had Barack on Campus at a televised rally Q&amp;A thing in Penn. They debated endlessly his response to this or that and decided he did well, but for me the moment was when Chris asked him how he can sleep with all this stuff going on back and forth and over and over&#8221;? And Barack gave him a big, million dollar smile, with no hostility and gentle knowing eyes and said &#8220;I quit watching Cable news&#8221;. Thats the man!!</p>
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		<title>By: LazyBuddhist</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, you hit a whole row of nails right on the head for me.  I, too, feel vaguely sorry for Hilary. And  I'm not quite yet on the Obama love train.  I watch my friends literally swoon for him, yet I stand back with my arms folded, not ready to let down my guard.  It hurts too much to have my hopes squashed like a bug.  

I remember I got all excited and even a little smug when the Democrats took back the House and Senate.  Yay!, I naively thought, we can take finally take our country back.  And what has been accomplished?  Nothing.  

Perhaps when it gets closer to the election I can start to muster some hope and enthusiasm.  But for now . . . well, my arms are still crossed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, you hit a whole row of nails right on the head for me.  I, too, feel vaguely sorry for Hilary. And  I&#8217;m not quite yet on the Obama love train.  I watch my friends literally swoon for him, yet I stand back with my arms folded, not ready to let down my guard.  It hurts too much to have my hopes squashed like a bug.  </p>
<p>I remember I got all excited and even a little smug when the Democrats took back the House and Senate.  Yay!, I naively thought, we can take finally take our country back.  And what has been accomplished?  Nothing.  </p>
<p>Perhaps when it gets closer to the election I can start to muster some hope and enthusiasm.  But for now . . . well, my arms are still crossed.</p>
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		<title>By: dummidumbwit</title>
		<link>http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/#comment-11269</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't explain the "powell " thig (my liking of him) it's not logical, but emotive. Fdr is that "Big Ass Grin", the off center hat and the Cigarette holder at an odd angle. (No longer PC). And someone from his position and background just pressing the flesh with us and listening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t explain the &#8220;powell &#8221; thig (my liking of him) it&#8217;s not logical, but emotive. Fdr is that &#8220;Big Ass Grin&#8221;, the off center hat and the Cigarette holder at an odd angle. (No longer PC). And someone from his position and background just pressing the flesh with us and listening?</p>
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		<title>By: Nice Melons</title>
		<link>http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/#comment-11268</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OB, I take your point on the comparison between Obama and the JFK.  I was kind of talking about both, and in more of a broad way.  So I probably proved your point about it being a superficial comparison.  I was just recounting what happened at the rally and what people around me were saying.  It also didn't hurt that a good portion of the Kennedy family was on stage with him at the time as well.

Yes, I think a lot of people remember the "Camelot" era quite fondly.  My mother was one of them.  You are indeed correct, it was a totally different situation and time than now, so again, a detailed comparison is impossible.

I understand about LBJ.  He did all the work there and Nixon took all the credit.  That seems to happen a lot (for good or evil).  What did Dubya say?  The Clinton administration set us up for 9/11?  Let me get you out of Dick Cheney's pocket for a minute, bub, so you can rethink that statement.

Interesting about the FDR thing, isn't it?  I've been tweaked about that before.  Yes, I think we should do a topic just on FDR.  He was my favorite president and my father's as well, and he was the Goldwater Republican. One of the things I'd like to ponder is whether a New Deal would work today.  It is hard to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OB, I take your point on the comparison between Obama and the JFK.  I was kind of talking about both, and in more of a broad way.  So I probably proved your point about it being a superficial comparison.  I was just recounting what happened at the rally and what people around me were saying.  It also didn&#8217;t hurt that a good portion of the Kennedy family was on stage with him at the time as well.</p>
<p>Yes, I think a lot of people remember the &#8220;Camelot&#8221; era quite fondly.  My mother was one of them.  You are indeed correct, it was a totally different situation and time than now, so again, a detailed comparison is impossible.</p>
<p>I understand about LBJ.  He did all the work there and Nixon took all the credit.  That seems to happen a lot (for good or evil).  What did Dubya say?  The Clinton administration set us up for 9/11?  Let me get you out of Dick Cheney&#8217;s pocket for a minute, bub, so you can rethink that statement.</p>
<p>Interesting about the FDR thing, isn&#8217;t it?  I&#8217;ve been tweaked about that before.  Yes, I think we should do a topic just on FDR.  He was my favorite president and my father&#8217;s as well, and he was the Goldwater Republican. One of the things I&#8217;d like to ponder is whether a New Deal would work today.  It is hard to say.</p>
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		<title>By: OmbudsBen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;NM&lt;/strong&gt;, I think people felt hope with McGovern, at least until the Eagleton gaffes after the convention. We look back on the defeat and forget what it was like that spring and summer. Also, as I mentioned above, my grandfather and I had some hopes for Carter. But your point about Barack and the Kennedys is well taken. I see the connection.

Yet when I look under the surface, at the substance of these men, they seem very different -- and that's what I meant.

Kennedy was there when it was still post-WW2 easy, in comparison to now. He had the glamorous wife, the martinis, yachting off Hyannisport, and Marilyn Monroe singing happy birthday.

Sure, there was a cold war, but in many ways dealing with one large, stolid superpower is easier than dealing with Al Qaeda in particular and muslim fundamentalism in general from Algeria through Iraq and Afghanistan all the way to Mindanao.

If you look at a lot of 60s civil rights legislation, it isn't like Kennedy was pushing the envelope. The Great Society was LBJ, and a surprising amount of it got signed (and twisted and tweaked) by Nixon.

I don't see Kennedy as being about change, so much. NASA doesn't mean a lot to me. Barack comes from a different place, with a very different angle on a very different world -- more to say, but I'm opting for concise.

Btw, I'm intrigued about being an FDR type and staying out of primaries due to a lack of libertarians.  As my sense of FDR is the father of many of America's most successful experiments in socialism, this is surprising -- a good post topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NM</strong>, I think people felt hope with McGovern, at least until the Eagleton gaffes after the convention. We look back on the defeat and forget what it was like that spring and summer. Also, as I mentioned above, my grandfather and I had some hopes for Carter. But your point about Barack and the Kennedys is well taken. I see the connection.</p>
<p>Yet when I look under the surface, at the substance of these men, they seem very different &#8212; and that&#8217;s what I meant.</p>
<p>Kennedy was there when it was still post-WW2 easy, in comparison to now. He had the glamorous wife, the martinis, yachting off Hyannisport, and Marilyn Monroe singing happy birthday.</p>
<p>Sure, there was a cold war, but in many ways dealing with one large, stolid superpower is easier than dealing with Al Qaeda in particular and muslim fundamentalism in general from Algeria through Iraq and Afghanistan all the way to Mindanao.</p>
<p>If you look at a lot of 60s civil rights legislation, it isn&#8217;t like Kennedy was pushing the envelope. The Great Society was LBJ, and a surprising amount of it got signed (and twisted and tweaked) by Nixon.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see Kennedy as being about change, so much. NASA doesn&#8217;t mean a lot to me. Barack comes from a different place, with a very different angle on a very different world &#8212; more to say, but I&#8217;m opting for concise.</p>
<p>Btw, I&#8217;m intrigued about being an FDR type and staying out of primaries due to a lack of libertarians.  As my sense of FDR is the father of many of America&#8217;s most successful experiments in socialism, this is surprising &#8212; a good post topic?</p>
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