I’m going to go have a beer this evening with my friend Brian to celebrate the solstice. We generally get together for a pint this time of year, to note the days beginning to get longer. It’s dark early now, but getting brighter, which sounds pretty good to me.
Brian is of Celtic extraction (Irish), and I’m mostly Scandinavian (Svensk). A dozen centuries or so ago our peoples were more likely to be slashing or bashing each other with clubs and swords, or maybe shooting arrows at each other. So it’s a victory of sorts that our gatherings are more peaceable now.
I once sat down and calculated how many ancestors I had by generation, figuring about 25 years to a generation. I had 8 great-grandparents at 1900, so figured on 64 ancestors (give or take) at 1800, which is 512 in 1700 and 4096 in 1600 (let’s call it an even four thousand). That’d give me 32,000 ancestors in 1500 and 256,000 in 1400. That’s 2,048,000 in 1300 – did they even have two million Swedes in 1300? I’m guessing not – at any rate, I’m pretty sure they didn’t have 16 million (again, give or take) in 1200.
(It’s amazing how much time you have for this sort of foolishness in the dead of winter, isn’t it?)
I mention this because I figure the odds are pretty good our direct ancestors were among the combatants those many generations ago. Although I do want to point out the Swedes were generally traders, sailing down the Volga and Dnieper to trade in Black Sea ports. Traders, I say, more prone to honest bargaining than brutal piracy.
Many years ago I learned proofreading from a little old Norwegian lady from Wisconsin, named Betty Opheim, who wielded her red pencil over my head like a baseball bat. She taught me all manner of practical things I never learned in college, and I think of her to this day. We used to tell Norwegian/Swedish jokes together. The desks in our department were in a large office overlooking Market Street in SF and one day, looking wistfully out the window she said, “You know, they name sports team after them, and they glorify the Vikings now, but you know they were just a bunch of dirty pirates in a boat.”
“Your Norwegian ancestors, perhaps,” I joked.
But the truth is, according to a linguistics professor I once admired named Prof. Neil Snortum, any given boatload of Norse pirates had men from all over Scandinavia. It might be piloted by a Dane and his brother with a half dozen Danes and a dozen Norwegians and a few Swedes in the mix, and so on, but it wasn’t as cut and dried as national foreign relations can be today.
My point is, given the math, the odds are decent Brian and I have adversarial ancestors. Slashing, bashing and shooting away. So I take it as a sign of progress that we get together to buy each other pints of ale now, rather than killing each other, stealing each other’s money, or raping each other’s womenfolk. Given all the hostility in the world today, I’m open to all signs of progress.
We’ll each toast in ancestral fashion (I say skol, he says something about cilantro) and then chat about our jobs or lives or sports teams or politics. For a while we researched the old pagan festivals, but to be honest a lot of it seems a bit grim. The story of mistletoe is worth a smirk, but in general we’re averse to animal sacrifice, and human sacrifice can have such very bad legal consequences.
One year at Christmas Betty Opheim gave me a book inscribed “may all your pagan solstice festivals be white.” And I liked that. She was a smart, combative sort with a sharp tongue and wit. She’s gone now, and I hope more at peace where ever she is.
I hope you’re at peace, too – and may all your winter solstice festivals, whatever your beliefs, be merry.
I have my doubts about the calculations. I suspect there was considerable inbreeding so the numbers are not nearly so high and I suspect that there were some pauses in the bashing and slashing for breeding.
I still think your conclusion is right. I bet you did have ancestors that fought. I also think that you have a fair chance at having had ancestors that did something else too.
I wish I had some cultural heritage to lay claim to. My wife says I’m now half-Chinese, maybe I will adopt that. My family’s history is hidden in mystery. I can only guess we come from bastardized Anglo-Saxon mongrels.
BGG, the calculations were, of course, tongue-in-cheek. The point was to draw it out mathematically to a point where the number of theoretical ancestors was greater than the number of actual Swedes — yes, obviously some people are represented many times over. This has to be true for all of us.
Solstice joking aside, the vast majority of my ancestors were farmers, I imagine — although I like to think a few of them made trips through Russia to trade at Black Sea ports.
Stevo, for what it’s worth, many in the US who are descended from pioneer stock have hazy notions of their ancestry. Most of them are of Scots-Irish background — it’s a distinct group of peoples who were moved from Scotland to Ireland in the 17th century, and then came to the American colonies mostly in the 18th century. They didn’t settle along the shores (held by the English, primarily) but took to the backwoods, and their descendants were most of those who pioneered the backwoods and blazed the Oregon trail.
Thanks. I’m not all done my work but I’m relaxing a bit anyway.
Tomorrow, I will celebrate the 23rd by playing Illuminatii with some old friends. It will be a bit like the solstice celebration that you just described. I am happy. See:
Cilantro?? LOL!
I enjoyed this. Merry Solstice to you, Ombudsben. My husband and I celebrate both solstices in our way. They’re my favorite holidays.
Slainte!
BGG, well, it sounds like you are making progress on the work front, anyway — and glad you’ve got your own late-December rituals!
Robin, glad you enjoyed our old joke, too. Maybe one out of every three or four times we get together there is someone new and one of us will hoist a pint and say “cilantro!” which usually draws a puzzled look, then the explanation.
It’s kind of neat that people celebrate the solstice in their own ways, huh?
I like your type of math- anything is possible with magical techniques like that!
Also, is it wrong for a quarter Italian like myself to name his (likely 16th Italian) son Leonardo Alviani? This is only hypothetical… for the moment…
Merry Christmas!
I like that… may all your pagan solstice festivals be white.
Members of my family have traced our geneology back several generations in several branches. Many poor Cockney builders mainly. And a few stern United Empire Loyalists.
Dash — if you’re a quarter Italian, won’t the tad be an 8th?
I think Leo is a fine name. What does the kid’s mom think?
Az. — right back atcha!
pmousse — United Empire Loyalists! I’d never heard the term until this year, from another blogger, then corresponded with a couple of them about Benedict Arnold’s heroism or traitorousness.
I’m beginning to think this sort (UEL) is present on the internet in very high numbers.
I thought where you were going with this was to say that we’re probably all related. Well, we probably are. Merry Christmas, bro.
Back atcha, sis!
Yes, there is the whole 6 degrees of seperation thing. What I find as fascinating as the familial connections is the level of acquaintanceship.
I don’t know who among my circle of nonblogging friends knows someone in your circle (or knows someone who knows someone, etc.) But it’s a cinch they’re there.
A couple years ago I found out someone who was instrumental in referring me for my present job, call her Kay, had had a meal with Brian, the friend I mentioned in this post.
In the Bay Area, with 4 or 5 million people (depending) that’s something of a coincidence. I had a bit of fun with it.
The next time we got together with Kay and her husband I told them I’d had the oddest vision of them at such and such a restaurant eating such and such a meal.
They both looked at me, stunned — because of course they’d had that meal.
I couldn’t keep a straight face for long, and revealed that Brian was one of my closest friends out here, for many years. We shared a laugh.
ben, your math is mindboggling. Well, I know I live in a place that holds part of your ancestry - so Happy Holidays from the Great Midwest. Have a Happy New Year, too. And thanks for being a part of our writing community. Cheers to the New Year.
QM, mindboggling perhaps, but a bit tonge-in-cheek, too. As BGG points out, obviously at a certain point ancestors are duplicated–or perhaps “redundant” as the Brits say. (Although they mean getting laid off, dont they? Hmm, there’s a pun in there on getting laid, but I’m going to lay off it.)
Good to meet you this year, QM, and thanks for posting my coffee piece on redRavine — happy new year!
Neil Snortum was one of my professors too, back in the mid-1980s at SF State. I took three of his classes: Chaucer, Intro to English Language and a summer school class that I can’t remember the name of. (He’ll roll over in his grave for my bad English.)
He was the greatest: informative, understanding, kind, entertaining (he loved George Carlin), empathetic and cool. I miss him.
Sorry if this missive is irrelevant to your website; I was searching for information on Neil and your site popped up.
Kurt — very cool, thanks for writing! Neil Snortum was indeed a special man. He and I connected early on, and I used to show up early before our night school courses just to chat with him, both about my questions from the prior class and life in general.
I’ve recently begun tutoring in English, both writing and speaking. In fact, I dug out an old History of the English Language workbook tonight because it breaks down the sounds of English to their phonetic elements, and I want to show my student where to pronounce certain sounds inside the mouth–he has trouble with /ch/, /sh/, and /s/.
So tonight we will work on saying “cherry slushy” a few times, and I’ll get out the diagram to show where the sounds are formed and maybe talk about fricatives and affricates and whatnot, if he is interested.
I very much build off the work Prof. Snortum did with me all those years ago, and only wish he were still around so I could thank him.
Cheers!