Comments on: V: Parsing the Good from the Not So http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/ Where the eclectic meets the electric Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:01:49 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: ybonesy http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2688 ybonesy Mon, 21 May 2007 16:42:06 +0000 http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2688 exactamundo exactamundo

]]> By: OmbudsBen http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2682 OmbudsBen Mon, 21 May 2007 15:27:28 +0000 http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2682 You mean in the sense that it all has to work for the common good, rather than individual sections spinning off to be their best on their own terms? You mean in the sense that it all has to work for the common good, rather than individual sections spinning off to be their best on their own terms?

]]> By: ybonesy http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2595 ybonesy Sun, 20 May 2007 04:24:59 +0000 http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2595 You know what I like about this post and your thoughts? How you weave together the notion of fiction (and the lies inherent in fiction) with the idea of true and false in terms of one's voice. One must hit a true voice to pull off fiction. If you're false with your voice, you don't pull off the lie. Good point that it goes even beyond that to understanding when even when you hit it just right, it might have to go for the greater good of the story. In that way, writing must be more socialist than capitalist. You know what I like about this post and your thoughts? How you weave together the notion of fiction (and the lies inherent in fiction) with the idea of true and false in terms of one’s voice. One must hit a true voice to pull off fiction. If you’re false with your voice, you don’t pull off the lie.

Good point that it goes even beyond that to understanding when even when you hit it just right, it might have to go for the greater good of the story. In that way, writing must be more socialist than capitalist.

]]> By: ombudsben http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2527 ombudsben Fri, 18 May 2007 18:22:32 +0000 http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2527 Malicen - I love the relativity of it all! Wh-abbit, thanks. And I do so still enjoy reading him, and marvel at his influence; but the years haven't been kind to his image, have they? Malicen – I love the relativity of it all!

Wh-abbit, thanks. And I do so still enjoy reading him, and marvel at his influence; but the years haven’t been kind to his image, have they?

]]> By: whitishrabbit http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2497 whitishrabbit Fri, 18 May 2007 03:24:05 +0000 http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2497 I think you're spot on about Hemingway. I think you’re spot on about Hemingway.

]]> By: malicenwonderland http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2481 malicenwonderland Thu, 17 May 2007 21:29:05 +0000 http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2481 There is no fiction. Merely the truth. Lied about boisterously until its own mother wouldn't recognize it. There is no fiction. Merely the truth. Lied about boisterously until its own mother wouldn’t recognize it.

]]> By: OmbudsBen http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2471 OmbudsBen Thu, 17 May 2007 16:25:06 +0000 http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2471 I just finished a section in the Chandler book where, as he works on <i>The Little Sister</i> he writes to a publisher about the same phenomenon: "I write a scene and think it over and think it stinks. Three days later (having done nothing in between but stew) I re-read it and think it is great. So there you are. You can't bank on me." Another variant happens when I share stuff with people. After I get their feedback I end up imagining their POV as I re-work. Or I simply see the work now through a lens of their making. I've got a friend encouraging me now to submit something I wrote without ever intending to submit -- always nice when someone else finds something you've forgotten or taken for granted. I just finished a section in the Chandler book where, as he works on The Little Sister he writes to a publisher about the same phenomenon:

“I write a scene and think it over and think it stinks. Three days later (having done nothing in between but stew) I re-read it and think it is great. So there you are. You can’t bank on me.”

Another variant happens when I share stuff with people. After I get their feedback I end up imagining their POV as I re-work. Or I simply see the work now through a lens of their making. I’ve got a friend encouraging me now to submit something I wrote without ever intending to submit — always nice when someone else finds something you’ve forgotten or taken for granted.

]]> By: litlove http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2437 litlove Wed, 16 May 2007 20:44:33 +0000 http://ombudsben.wordpress.com/2007/05/16/v-parsing-the-good-from-the-not-so/#comment-2437 Oh that inner critic. The thing is, I find it varies from day to day. Sometimes I read my work and think, well, it doesn't sound too awful. And then I return to it 24 hours later and I'm wailing in lament at its clumsiness and lack of coherence and direction. But you know what, that harsh inner critic is rarely wrong, and whatever I take out, the piece is better for it afterwards. I do love the line about putting the bullets and the bottle down! Made me laugh out loud. Oh that inner critic. The thing is, I find it varies from day to day. Sometimes I read my work and think, well, it doesn’t sound too awful. And then I return to it 24 hours later and I’m wailing in lament at its clumsiness and lack of coherence and direction. But you know what, that harsh inner critic is rarely wrong, and whatever I take out, the piece is better for it afterwards.

I do love the line about putting the bullets and the bottle down! Made me laugh out loud.

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